The Human Basis Of Laws And Ethics
Do Humanist Moral Values Come From?
OPENING STATEMENT: There is a tendency on the part of many theists to assume
that the burden of proof is on the nontheist when it comes to the issue of morality.
Thus, the individual who operates without a theological base is asked to justify
his so doing the assumption of the theist being that no morality is possible
in the absence of some form of higher law...
will try to show the actual source from which values are originally derived, provide
a solid foundation for a human-based (humanistic) moral system, and then place
the burden on the theist to justify any proposed departure.
is one of the greatest fallacies of secular humanism. Its advocates want the benefits
of divinely endowed human rights but eliminate the One who endows them. I have
never heard an atheist or secular humanist offer a satisfactory answer to the
question of where rights originate." - Tal Davis
their [humanist] worldview, what makes anything immoral or wrong? Really it boils
down to nothing more than their opinion.They believe that something is wrong,
and therefore it must be. But who is to say that their opinion is the right one?
After all, there are many different opinions on what is right and wrong. Who decides
which one is right and which one is wrong?" - Avery
Foley and Ken Ham
The following was written in
response to an atheist's letter:
think I have distilled your long, involved argument down to its essence:
an individual thinks something is moral/immoral, that is not objective (that is,
it is subjective). However, if a group of people think something is moral/immoral,
then it is now an objective moral standard.
lets test this materialistic basis for moral absolutes with a real world
scenario: If one person thinks it is OK to eat other people (e.g. Jeffrey Dahmer),
then that is just his subjective opinion. However, if a tribe of people in Papua
decide that it is moral to kill and eat other people (as they have done in the
past), then the same behaviour is now moral?
an objective moral standard?" - Dr
The above is an abridged version of the
opening statement in the humanist's web article supposedly giving the basis of
laws and ethics. I say "supposedly" because the article is mostly an
attack on God and christianity... but on a "god" and "christianity"
of the author's imagination. He has created a god and religion he calls "christianity"
that are so far from truth that they are sickening. Simply stated they are strawmen
the author has created, which he then proceeds to knock down. That makes this
article a total waste of time.
But, if you'd like to see for yourself,
you can read the article at:
this article is a propaganda piece, not an informative article. In addition to
being completely based on a strawman arguement, the major example in the article
is a form of red herring. It is the example of a traffic light:
I am driving in my car and I come to a red light. If I wish to turn right, and
it is safe to do so in this situation, then in most states I can proceed without
fear of punishment. But what if I do it where it is not legal or safe?
conclusion is that since humans are able to make laws such as traffic laws, without
referring to a higher authority, humans can be the source of moral laws.
is wrong with this conclusion?
Traffic control is not a moral
law. The Old Testament has many civil laws given by God. These laws were for Israel
at the time they were given, in a situation in which Israel was a theocracy. Israel
was eventually given a king (human government), and scripture recognizes government
(humans) as the source of civil laws. Today we have a government that gives us
civil laws that are appropriate for the time we live in.
some laws come from humans... but an example of a civil law is of no
significance to the discussion. Humans can even make moral laws. But, every valid
moral law has it basis in God's moral law. Humans can even make laws that violate
one of God's moral laws, and although that is possible, that does not make that
law morally correct.
For a humanist, what is the source of morality?
is difficult to understand the humanist's source of morality based on the above
referenced web page. By this I mean it is difficult to understand their reasons
for defining something as either good or evil. The conclusion of article seems
to be: people naturally pursue human interests and thus
relate laws and institutions to human concerns.
Here are a few other
statements from the article that seemed to relate to defining the source of morality:
beings are the actual source of values.
beings do develop moral and legal systems on their own and later make improvements
...rules are established to maximize
mutual satisfaction and to minimize the effects of evil. With rules, we now have
right and wrong. And from this basic recognition of the need for cooperation ultimately
come laws and ethics.
I find the last one particularly interesting.
Notice he says that "rules are established... [by humans]
to minimize the effects of evil. With rules we now have right and wrong."
Is there anything that bothers you about this statement? The rules minimize the
effect of evil. Who defines "evil." These rules he says humans make
are how we know right and wrong. So humans design the rules to minimize wrong
(that's the definition of evil), and that then defines what is right and wrong.
Huh? That's confusing circular reasoning.
The humanist slipped up and allowed
that there must be an original source of morality so that "evil" is
defined and humanity can then make rules... based on the knowledge of what actions
are evil... in order to minimize evil.
Here's another quote:
beings can find common ground on the issue of moral values without having to appeal
to, or even have knowledge of, a divine set of rules.
this statement very interesting. Humanity creates rules governing morality
because we are able to find common ground on moral issues. How is this accomplished?
Do we vote on the rules? Are there any absolute moral rules, established by people,
that apply to people everywhere? If not, who are you to tell me I'm wrong?
about different people groups? The moral rules are very different in
the ISIS Caliphate, or even just normal Muslim ruled countries, than they are
in America. Who is right? Shatia law and the U.S. Constitution? Is slavery wrong?
Is selling very young girls to be the wives of older men wrong? It's not in some
parts of Africa.
I like the moral values I've had for the past 20 years...
but things are changing in America. Why should I change my moral values? Because
you say so?
Let's say I run a business. You say that I must hire certain
people. I say that violates my moral principles that are firmly grounded in my
humanity, as well as being grounded in the history of human experience. What right
do you have to tell me I must change and adopt different moral values?
humanists, unless you can answer these questions and many other similar
questions, all you have is your personal desire to be like god (be the law maker).
humanists, all you have done is demonstrate your ignorance of God and
what He has said. This is a willful ignorance based on your desire to be like
god (to be the rule maker).
American humanists, unless you can clearly
define "evil" (or define :"good" and "bad"),
and do so in a reasonable, consistent, and non-arbitrary way, all you have is
your desire to be like god (your desire to be the rule maker).
humanists... what's amazing is that you already are made in the image of God,
and you reject that truth. The source of morality that you struggle to find is
the character of God. And since you are created in the image of God you are a
moral being... you are to have the same moral character as God. It is unchanging,
the same for all people, and clearly defined.
What did we learn?
Humanists cannot explain the source of morality.
biblical source of morality.
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